The director of the Fine Gael campaign to abolish the Seanad claims the chamber cannot be reformed because nobody can agree on how.
Richard Bruton says those seeking to retain the Seanad all want to reform it, but cannot agree on the changes they want.
He says the Fine Gael campaign is an element of real political reform, as it will come hand in hand with Dáil reform.
He also insists the public will save €20 million a year by voting 'Yes'. But he cautions that the savings will not come immediately, because of the time it takes to redeploy the staff.
Oireachtas figures say the direct costs of the Seanad are around €8.3 million euro with the rest made up in staff supports and pension costs.
Yesterday, the director of Labour campaign admitted he does not know how much the taxpayer will save by scrapping it. Alex White said Labour campaign for a 'Yes' vote is more concerned with slimming down the Oireachtas instead of saving money.
While Minister Bruton is standing over the €20 million figure.
So what does Seanad Eireann do? Newstalk's political correspondent Páraic Gallagher tells us: