Lisa Brennan was born with mild spina bifida and hip issues, in foster care, she left care age 18 as many do due to support to their foster family being cut but as she spent much of her life in a wheelchair she found getting a place to live and a job nigh on impossible. Lisa has faced so much adversity but has such an incredible story and she joins Clare to tell it.

And Brother Richard is a Franciscan Friar whose poem lockdown went viral during the pandemic – it led to his book Still Points - A Guide to Living the Mindful, Meditative Way and he joins Clare in studio to talk about the importance of making time for reflection