Trump's former press secretary joined Kieran for his only Irish media interview ahead of polling day in the US.
He discussed his current relationship with Trump, who he told Kieran he only spoke to him 10 days ago, that he'd never go back to being press secretary and why he'd never take up the job of press secretary again.
On The Hard Shoulder he said many Biden voters would choose anyone over Trump.
“I don’t think you see the enthusiasm for Joe Biden out there - people out there in the country voting for Biden because they like Joe Biden," he said. “They are voting against Donald Trump.
“There is not a ton of enthusiasm when you ask folks if and why they are voting for Biden. The general sentiment out there is, you know, ‘I’m not, I am voting against Donald Trump.’
“So, I think the more Trump makes a contrast with Joe Biden in those policies, the better.”