Gavan Reilly was joined by Roderic O'Gorman, Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration, and Youth, and Green Party TD for Dublin West.

Together they discuss the potential of introducing a financial incentive in the future for people who may be willing to take in Ukrainian refugees, the issues in finding appropriate housing for them, ambitions of and obstacles to abolishing direct provision, as well as Tony Holohan's decision to pull out of the Trinity College secondment role.

Listen and subscribe to On The Record with Gavan Reilly on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and Spotify.

Download, listen, and subscribe on the Newstalk App.

You can also listen to Newstalk live on newstalk.com or Alexa, by adding the Newstalk skill and asking: 'Alexa, play Newstalk'.